Grades are back, do you think this looks cleaned

49thStateofMind

coinguy1

So others don't have to look them up:

92 - CLEANING

98 - DAMAGE

I'll guess that the first one was labeled cleaned and the second one, damaged.

commoncents05

<< <i>I'll guess that the first one was labeled cleaned and the second one, damaged. >>





-Paul

coinguy1

You changed the thread title and the question on us

airplanenut

Yes... the lustre should be banded, not bunched up in one half of the obverse. Maybe not really obvious in that picture, but noticeable.

Steve27

Nope, and I disagree with Jeremy (Airplanenut).

Barndog

if you believe it to be problem-free, give it another shot.

AUandAG

Dipped coins seem to lose the cartwheel. That coin, I agree with Jeremy, has been dipped.
Cartwheel disappeared and it does not look PL or DMPL so, cleaned.

bob

yellowkid

I don't know if I would have caught it, but the obverse looks fishy.

sinin1

the top half of the side of the face coiuld be messed with


also if the luster is dead, they will/may call it cleaned - when actually it has only been dipped to death

joebb21

cant really judge such a coin from the pictures-
and jeremy, it could just be at the angle the picture was taken.

the coin does seem a little dull but I would guess those who saw it at pcgs probably were correct

icsoccer

I will say cleaned imo. Cleaned look around the ear.

lkeigwin

FWIW, I think PCGS has a pretty good record when it comes to making calls on cleaning. More often we debate artificial toning or a copper color designation. I've been caught a few times on cleaning when I felt certain it was not the case. But on much closer inspection PCGS was correct each time.
Lance.

dsessom

I agree, it has been cleaned. I can see it around the cheek and ear mostly. The reverse looks okay though.

SamByrd

I would say perhaps dipped badly. the stars seem to have some residue to me. Why not try a acetone dip and try again many many dipped coins are in legitimate holders.

bfjohnson

I agree that acetone is a safe way to go. Still a nice coin.

Rollerman

It looks to me like someone whipped it with one of those treated jewlery clothes. I see halo around the stars and the obverse device has a "chromed" look to it and as others have mentioned, the luster seems subdued, but not the look of an overdipped coin IMHO. It would be a MS64+ otherwise, better strike than my 1903 O.
Pete

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>I agree, it has been cleaned. I can see it around the cheek and ear mostly. The reverse looks okay though. >>



how can a coin look cleaned only on one side??

Honestly, from the picture, the coin looks fine to me.

PCGS must be seeing some faint hairlines that we cannot see.

If PCGS is grading ' cleaned ' as dipped coins, then we are in a big mess, because there's a million coins out there that have been dipped and have passed the TPG grading test.

Elcontador

I'd have to see the coin myself to determine whether I thought it was cleaned. When you rotate a cleaned otherwise Unc. coin, it looks dead; you don't have cartwheel luster, or the brilliant look of a PL coin. With copper, it has a dull, pinkish hue. On larger silver coins, you can usually spot many fine hairlines which are parallel to one another. These fine hairlines often don't show up in an image.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>how can a coin look cleaned only on one side?? >>



Because it was cleaned only on one side.

notwilight

Welcome to the forum.

One quick tip. Changing the post after many replies are in won't win you any popularity contests around here. --Jerry

AngryTurtle

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<< <i>how can a coin look cleaned only on one side?? >>



Because it was cleaned only on one side. >>



This seems to be a more common scenario than i would expect. Any theories why?

One I have come up with is that coins may tone asymmetrically, for instance in the olden days being left with one side against fabric or wood inside a drawer, while the other is up. Cleaning one side may be an attempt to address this.

ColonialCoinUnion

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<< <i>how can a coin look cleaned only on one side?? >>



Because it was cleaned only on one side. >>



This seems to be a more common scenario than i would expect. Any theories why?

One I have come up with is that coins may tone asymmetrically, for instance in the olden days being left with one side against fabric or wood inside a drawer, while the other is up. Cleaning one side may be an attempt to address this. >>



Or there could have been a spot or something on one side that someone tried to remove. I would guess that scenario is the more likely than someone trying to "even up" the toning, but anything is possible.

PTVETTER

I can't tell from the photo!

It looks like a nice coin even if PCGS didn't grade it!